During the 188th edition of “On The Ropes” I had a chance to speak with Larry Holmes about where he is at in life today. Besides discussing his current ventures, I got Larry’s view on some of the Heavyweights of this era and how he would see himself doing if he was boxing today. Holmes also talked about boxing’s two biggest stars, giving his views on Manny Pacquiao’s future and also his thoughts on the legacy of Floyd Mayweather Jr. Here is what Larry had to say

JENNA J:“People have seen you of late on TV doing commentaries for fights. How did you get back into that. Can you tell us a little about that.”

LARRY HOLMES:“Yeah I do a lot of commentating for fights, I work with Wealth TV, and when they put on an amazing fight they call me and my co-partner Mike Mitman, and we go wherever the fight might be and we do the commentating for the fights. I’m there annalist and I fought so I know a little bit about the game of boxing and we’ve been doing that pretty much.”

JENNA J:“Doing the commentary seeing these young fighters, knowing the crew you have, what do you see that other commentators miss in the ring”.

LARRY HOLMES:“Well a lot of commentators shouldn’t be commentators, you can get a good narrator and somebody to think they know what they are talking about, but until they experience fights, until they’ve had a fight, until they know what a right hand feels like or a left hook feels like, they cant really tell you what one feels like. Let me tell you that’s my expertise, I know what it is feels like, ive been there, ive fought the fights ive been heavyweight champion of the world for seven and a half years, so I know how to fight. These guys here, with all due respect they don’t know how to call the shots, they don’t know what its like and they act like they do and that’s just giving the public false information.”

JENNA J:“Watching some of these fights of late the ones that you’ve been calling, you’ve got to see a few younger heavyweights, the new generation of heavyweights, guys like Tyson Fury, guys like David Price. What are your thoughts on the heavyweights that your seeing now”.

LARRY HOLMES:“Well, I know if they was fighting when I was still fighting I’d still be heavyweight champ of the world, I’d of never lost. I mean these guys are still learning, these guys are strong, they fighting good for the guys for the competition that’s out there they fight real good. You know its just that as heavyweights they just done get the publicity that they probably should get like we got when we were coming up, remember we had ABC, CBS, NBC, HBO, Showtime, we had all the networks backing us, following us, and here you know you’ve just got only a couple. HBO, they’ll put you on every now and then, you’ve got to be a top player, and ESPN they put shows on and what not and they’re doing a hell of a job trying to keep boxing alive, but a lot of them don’t do that, so your losing a lot of interest in the heavier weights.”

JENNA J:“A lot of people say that Tyson Fury is the best up and coming heavyweight, do you think he is.”

LARRY HOMES:Ive seen him fight a lot of times. he’s strong, he’s powerful, he takes a lot of punches. You know he could be because there’s nobody out there who I see who can give him some competition that he needs. I would say he might be one of the best fighters that we have out there in the heavyweight division.”

JENNA J:“What is the problem with the heavyweight division these days, as you said yourself if you were still around now you would be heavyweight champion. What is the problem with today’s heavyweights.”

LARRY HOMES:“No discipline, no dedication, they just go out there and fight and try to get the dollars and then when they get the dollars, that’s it. That’s why there’s no real competition out there in the heavyweight division, they’ve got to want to be the champion and these guys are not wanting to be, and maybe Tyson Fury wants to be, and he probably has a good chance to be it. Boxing, I don’t know, seems like to me MMA is taking over boxing and they only fight three rounds or five rounds and they’re in there five minutes a round and there’s more people interested in that. I went to one the other night and they had a crowd of people in there. Then I watched boxing the night before and they didn’t have a crowd of people.”

JENNA J:“You were in a decade when you were champion and you didn’t really have anyone to fight, and people were saying that was a weak heavyweight division, they say now its a weak heavyweight division. What can you bring in terms of comparison with The Klitschko’s, they’re so far above everyone else, and when you were champion you were so far above everyone else too.”

LARRY HOMES:“Well the Klitschko’s are big guys you know, they can throw a good punch, they can fight a little bit, but the problem with those guys is they aint coming over here, they’re not really giving us the opportunity. I f you fight one of them you have to go over there and I can almost not blame them because that’s home and they want to fight home and they want to show that they are the heavyweight champion, that’s one of the things they are doing showing that they are the champion. They don’t have to come over here they don’t need us, and like I said that’s what they’re showing.”

JENNA J:“You said they’re big they have a big punch, you having the great jab that you had, how would you have dealt with the style of a Klitschko if you were in the ring with them them in your prime.”

LARRY HOMES:“Well, I fought a lot of puncher Kenny Norton, Ernie Shavers, a lot of punchers and they couldn’t do it, and one of the things I had going for myself was I had a left jab, I had a good jab, I’d jab them I’d move, I wouldn’t stay there to get hit. One of the things these fighters are doing today is they’re getting hit a lot, you cant take punches forever, if you do a lot of things might happen to you in the long run so, I suggest not to take the shots, to be a boxer and to stay on the outside. The game of boxing is to hit and don’t be hit. That’s one of the things I would do with the Klitschko brothers, I wouldn’t let them hit me, they would be quite lucky to be able to get a shot in on me cos I’d be moving.”

JENNA J:“When people talk about boxing now, you have the stars, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, and you mentioned too that fighters can only take shots for so long, Manny Pacquiao in his last fight got flattened by Juan Manuel Marquez. They wonder if he’s ever going to be the same. I’m curious to see what your views are on that fight that Pacquiao had.”

LARRY HOMES:“Well I’ll tell you one thing, I think Pacquiao fights too much, he takes on too much and he’s not really in condition to do these fights like he’s been doing and keep up with them, because he’s got a job, he’s in the government or whatever he does over there and he fights quite often, and he don’t really give his body a chance to settle down and relax, and then come back and do it again. He don’t recuperate from a fight, and that’s very dangerous, you gotta recuperate you gotta get your stamina back together and then you go out and fight. These guys here, Pacquiao, one of the great fighters, but he’s not giving his body the chance to adjust and settle down so he can come back and do it right.”

JENNA J:“Well twenty five years ago in January, it was an anniversary of sorts, not particularly a great one for yourself, was the Mike Tyson fight. You managed to come back from that type of KO defeat. How are you able to come back from that type of defeat, was it the time off or was it just mentally getting yourself prepared.”

LARRY HOMES:“Well, you just said it, the time off and getting myself ready and not having the time to get ready to fight Mike Tyson. That was one of the downfalls that I had, but once I got out of that fight, once Mike Tyson beat me and what not, I had time to come home and to relax, think about it and then get myself in good top condition before I went out and did it again. That’s what I didn’t have when I fought Mike Tyson. But you know what, its OK, I think a did a real good job and I think that whatever was supposed to happen, happened.”

JENNA J:“As far as Pacquiao goes, do you think he should take more time off, and do you think them trying to put him right back in with Marquez is a bad idea.”

LARRY HOMES:“I do I agree with you and what you are saying yeah, In agree that he should take a little bit more time off and rest a little bit, get his thoughts together. I don’t think he should just go fight so these guys can make some money or he can make some money. I think he should be well situated, he made a lot of money, every fight he made money. I don’t think he should just go back in and fight. He should take some time off think about it, about what you did and what your gonna do and then you go into it. You don’t just jump out there after a couple of months after you’ve been knocked out try and go out there and prove to someone that you’ve still got it, cos your gonna get knocked out again. I just don’t think that’s right.”

JENNA J:“Undoubtedly right now the fighter they call pound for pound is Floyd Mayweather Jr, he calls the shots, he makes the big fight contracts. What do you think about his position in boxing today.”

LARRY HOMES:“I think its a good position in boxing, he’s got that, he’s loud, people like him, there’s a lot of people who don’t like him, and they end up betting on him to get beat. When he gets beat everything will change for him everything wont be all rosey no more, he’s gonna be put down as an ordinary fighter. People like to take the legs off from under you, they like to do that, you ride so high on that horse, and you think you wont fall, believe me, you will fall. He’s got to be careful and think about what he’s doing and what he says.”

JENNA J:“How much do you think his legacy will be affected if he does lose. If he retires as an undefeated fighter people will have him out there as one of the greatest fighters ever. If he loses, where will he be.”

LARRY HOMES:“That doesn’t really matter, he’s still going to be known as one of the greatest fighters ever. A lot of the time people put emphasis on that and he’s done what he’s done and you cant take that away. He is a great fighter, his record speaks for itself, but your always going to have doubters that will doubt what he did and who he fought, just like myself. They say who, Larry Holmes, they don’t mention me, they don’t even want to mention my name because they know I backs it up, and I did back it up, and they cant say anything negative about me because I did it. The best thing for them is to not say anything at all and that’s what they are doing.”

JENNA J:“You’ve seen so many great fighters come and go in the sport, you’ve seen the era that had Haggler, Duran and Leonard, I must ask you where do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr ranks in that mix-up of all those great fighters.”

LARRY HOMES:“Well all of them were good you know, Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard, you cant say anything negative about those guys, them guys carry themselves with respect, those guys did good things for boxing, that kept boxing in the light. Today it’s lacking in boxing, they need more Duran’s, Sugar Ray Leonard’s the Larry Homes, they need that out there and they’re not getting it. You got one guy out there that people would like to see and his name is Mayweather, and a lot of times he turns people away for the things he’s said. He’s still young and he will say those things because he still thinks he’s the greatest. Sugar Ray Leonard, good guy, great fighter, personality wise, Duran, all the guys. I can’t about the fighter’s today except they just can’t fight as good as Mayweather. He outshines them.”

JENNA J:“Well Larry, there’s a good anniversary coming up for yourself, it will be happening in June. It will be the thirty fifth anniversary of your fight with Ken Norton.
I’m just curios, how did that fight come about, and can you believe its been thirtys five years.”

LARRY HOMES:“I cant believe it will be thirty five years gone June since I won that title, those years have went by so fast. That fight was a blessing, Leon Spinks did not want to fight Muhammad Ali to defend, and the WBC had a box off and Ken Norton won it, and then he had to fight the mandatory, which was me and that gave me the opportunity to become champion. I think they did the right thing, followed their own rules and that they made and I became a champion and I defended that title for seven and a half years. I don’t think anybody can knock it, but there is always somebody who will knock it.”

JENNA J:“Going into that fight with Ken Norton, did you think of him as the champion. I know they awarded him the championship belt. Did you think of him as the champion, because most people think he beat Muhammad Ali in their fight.”

LARRY HOMES:“I thought he was the champion, I recognised him as the champion, and I was fighting for the championship, no matter what people said. It took me a while to prove it, to convince people that I was the champion, and the only way I could do that was by fighting and giving everybody an opportunity which I done.”

JENNA J:“What are your fondest memories of the fight with Ken Norton.”

LARRY HOMES:“I became heavyweight champ of the world, that’s my fondest memory. That’s what made me what I am today, being heavyweight champion winning that fight with Kenny Norton.”

JENNA J:“Larry, recently there has been some news regarding a fighter, and he’s a fighter a lot like yourself, he fought late into his career and had some success, that would be Bernard Hopkins. He won the title again at the age of forty eight. What do you think about Bernard doing all this at that age.”

LARRY HOMES:“I think a man should be able to do what he wants to do as long as he wants to do it. It just proves that there is a lack of competition out there in the division that he’s fighting in. I think he’s doing good, I think he’s a good champion at times, you know we all have our bad days and our good days and sometimes we say the things that we shouldn’t say. Bernard is no different to anybody else, he’s a great fighter, he’s a good champion, he says that he wants to be champion, he wants everyone to recognize this and know it. But there is something with him where he’s not going to be really accepted as a champion, he’s not going to be noticed when he walks down the street like Jo Blow like a Larry Holmes or George Foreman or a Muhammad Ali. People will recognize him when they hear his name so more power to him keep on going, don’t stop until your ready to stop.”

JENNA J:“Interesting that you should bring that up I spoke to George Foreman recently and his view was that Hopkins should hang them up and put them away. Why do you think Foreman thinks like that.”

LARRY HOLMES:“He didn’t stop so why is he going to tell somebody else to stop, he was fifty years old when he got the title so, so be it. That’s the way it is. George Foreman can say a lot of things you know, but you should practice what you preach. George Foreman should let this boy go and let him do what he’s got to do.”

JENNA J:“I hear your going to be doing something with Evander Holyfield. Can you tell us a little about that.”

LARRY HOLMES:“That’s a stage show that were going to be putting together, its a meet and greet to see some slides of us and fights. We do some talking, we answer questions, take pictures, we sit and talk with people and we do it around the country, whoever wants us.
Were just waiting for they guy who is setting it up to book the first date.”

JENNA J:“What’s it like for yourself when you approach young fans, how do you explain the time that was in boxing.”

LARRY HOLMES:“I tell them that boxing was great and that I didn’t take no short cuts. A lot of the time people want to do boxing and they take short cuts, you cant take short cuts. Ive fought, I worked hard at what I did and what I was doing I worked hard and it paid off. If they put the time in like I did then it will pay off for them too. Those are the things that I say to young people.”

JENNA J:“Larry, you had a little bit of a health scare not too long ago, can you tell the fans how your doing and getting yourself back in the gym and getting a little fitter.”

LARRY HOLMES:“I got a lot of people helping me out, making sure I’m doing the right things, eating the right foods and what not, get myself together. Its no joke low sugar, diabetes, you think its a joke, its no joke it will knock you out. That will hit you harder than George Foreman or Ernie Shavers. You gotta take care of yourself. More people have it than I ever thought. I think that everybody should get checked once in a while. Make it a habit of getting yourself checked because you never know if you’ve got it or not.”

JENNA J:“I wanted to ask you about one more fighter Larry. His name is Adrien Broner. People say he’s going to be a future star, but with stars sometimes you act out a little bit. He was recently filmed ripping up money and flushing it down the toilet. What’s the biggest pitfall for an up and coming fighter like Adrien Broner.”

LARRY HOLMES:“Doing what he just did, what he said he was doing, ripping up money throwing it down the toilet, that’s bad. You don’t do that, especially when so many people need it, they fight for it and your doing a bad example, but hey he’s gonna do what he’s gonna do. Nobody can tell him what not to do I guess or try to tell him not to do it, but he keeps doing it.”

JENNA J:“What’s the best advice you can give to a young up and coming fighter.”

LARRY HOLMES:“Keep your hands up and keep your ass out of trouble and do what you need to do to be heavyweight champion or lightweight or middleweight champion of the world. Don’t ever think your better than somebody else because there’s always somebody better than you.”

JENNA J:“Larry your doing your show still that you’ve been doing for eight years. Can you tell us a little about that.”

LARRY HOLMES:“Yeah, we’ve been doing Larry Holmes: ‘What The Heck Were They Think’ and we talk about different people and different things. People do something out of the ordinary, we talk about it and give people something interesting in what I’m doing.”

JENNA J:“Final question for you Larry. You have a lot of fans that still support you, still follow you that were inspired by your boxing career. Anything you want to say to them.”

LARRY HOLMES:“I want to thank them for doing that, I want to thank them for following me. I hope I set the example they they would think that I would set. I appreciate that support, don’t give up on me and keep me tuned in. Thank you for having me on the show.”



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JJ: You have a very big fight coming up May 25th. An All-Canadian match up where you’ll be taking on Lucian Bute. What do you think of this particular fight?

Jean Pascal: It’s going to be a great fight. It’s a big fight in Canada and I think also worldwide because it can even Mayweather, Pacquiao for us. Everybody was waiting for this fight and May 25th everybody is gonna be able to see us fight. I am really glad to be a part of this event because we are going to make history in Canada. It is going to be the biggest fight ever in Canada and I’m a part of it and I am proud of that.

JJ: Originally you were supposed to take on Chad Dawson in a rematch. What happened with that and how did this opportunity come about with Lucian?

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Jean Pascal: Yeah, I was going after my belts because Chad Dawson has my belts right now, the W.B.C. and the RING Magazine. I was going after my belts but Lucian Bute finally decided to call me out so I said “yes” and I didn’t sign any contract to box him (Chad Dawson) before my fight against him so that’s why I switched and I think I made a good move because this fight is really an important fight because Lucien Bute is from my town and I want to show the world that I’m the best in my town.

JJ: Do you think this fight with Lucian Bute is coming a little bit late seeing that he’s lost to Carl Froch in one of his last few fights? Do you think this fight should have happened sooner?

Jean Pascal: Honestly, I don’t think so. Even though he lost against Carl Froch he’s still in his prime time. I’m still in my prime time and we’re still young. It’s not because he lost one fight that Lucian Bute is done. He’s not done. He’s far from done. I know he’s going to be well prepared for this fight; I’m going to be well prepared for this fight. Southpaw versus orthodox and it’s going to be a good matchup and I’m going to train really hard for this fight and to pull out the “w” at the end.

JJ: In your last fight against Aleksy Kuziemski you hurt your shoulder and you pretty much had to fight most of the bout with one arm. How is that shoulder feeling now?

Jean Pascal: The shoulder feels like steel. Both shoulders feel like steel. I’ve been in rehab for the last 2-3 months and I’m doing really, really well and I have no more pain in my shoulders, so I am expecting to have great shoulders for my next fight.

JJ: You said you shoulder feels like steel and you have injured both your shoulders in your career. Do you think as you get later and older that this is a problem that will keep popping up?

Jean Pascal: Honestly, I don’t think so. Right now we’ve done some rehab and my shoulders are really really strong, stronger than ever. Maybe before my shoulders were fragile, but now I have fixed that problem and I don’t expect to have those problems ever again.

JJ: Lucian Bute had the loss to Carl Froch then he came back and fought Denis Grachev and he didn’t look that good. You having looked at that fight, what did you see?

Jean Pascal: It’s always tough to come back from a fight like he did against Carl Froch getting knocked out in the 5th round. Of course his confidence was really low and he probably had that in his mind, but in that fight I think he’s back on track. If you guys watch the last round he was doing really really well. The old Lucian Bute, the old champion and I think he’s going to be back on track in the next fight against me.

JJ: I want to get your opinion on a fight you actually sat ringside for. That was the fight between the ageless warrior Bernard Hopkins, against a guy you were originally supposed to fight Tavoris Cloud. What did you think when you watched that?

Jean Pascal: That was a good fight. Bernard did it again. He got the “w” again. Bernard is an old fox, he knows all the tricks; All the dirty tricks in the game. ….I’m not trying to take anything at all from him. He won. He schooled Cloud really well and he deserved that victory.

JJ: Are you at all disappointed that you didn’t get a first shot at Tavoris Cloud and take that title belt.

Jean Pascal: Of course, of course, I was supposed to fight Cloud in August but I had a ham injury so I was really, really mad but things happen for a reason so I’m gonna put that behind me and maybe I’m gonna do a part 3 with Bernard Hopkins.

JJ: If you are able to beat Lucien Bute what are the plans for Jean Pascal? Do you have a rematch with Bute or do you look to Chad Dawson and taking your title belts back?

Jean Pascal: Right now I’m focusing as much as I can on Lucien Bute, on this fight, because this is the biggest fight of my career. This is the most important fight of my career, so I need to focus totally on Lucien Bute. So now I don’t think further than May 25th.


“ON THE ROPES”is back once again with me, your host Jenna J to talk about some recent boxing news as well as review the action packed fights that took place over the weekend. In this episode I talk about Danny Garcia’s close win over Zab Judah and what could be next for Garcia in the Light Welterweight division. I also speak on Amir Khan’s back and forth affair with Julio Diaz as well as Sergio Martinez’ narrow victory over Martin Murray in Buenos Aires, Argentina, which left many fans questioning the future of the Middleweight champ and his status in the pound for pound rankings. In addition I preview this weekend’s upcoming fights, especially “May Day” which features the return of boxing’s biggest star, Floyd “Money” Mayweather Jr. Just press the green player to listen to the show!


This week’s show features the return of Floyd Mayweather Sr. to give insight into his sons training camp as fight day approaches. Floyd breaks down the upcoming SHOWTIME Pay-Per-View fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero. In addition to this, Paulie Malignaggi stops by to give an update of his preparations for his June bout with one of boxing’s brightest stars, Adrien Broner, and how he plans on putting a stop to “The Problem’s” seemingly unstoppable winning streak. Paulie also gives his views and prediction of the Mayweather vs. Guerrero fight.

The mailbag segment is back this week! Fans have been sending in great questions and they get answered today. Some of the topics discussed in the segment are Amir Khan’s future and the rumors of his apparent desire to move up in weight. A recent steroid bust and some interesting fights that could place in the near future.



During this week’s 190th edition of “On The Ropes” I had a chance to speak with Floyd Mayweather Sr. and discuss the upcoming fight between his son and Guerrero. Floyd talked about what changes we will see in the ring and also gave his view on Robert Guerrero as a fighter. Senior also talked about his sons future, a possible fight with Saul Alvarez, thoughts on Manny Pacquiao and his official prediction for this weekends big fight. Here is what Mayweather Sr. had to say.

JENNA J:The fight between your son and Robert Guerrero is this weekend, how has everything gone this training camp and what changes have you made?

Well, I have made a lot of changes, we have come together in this camp as one, as a team. Roger pretty much has been holding the pads and stuff like that, I am the chief, telling Floyd what he should be doing in the ring, and what he should not be doing and that has been going real well.

JENNA:Floyd, you worked with your son when he was younger. Now that he is 36 have you noticed any signs of decline since you have been back with him?

MAYWEATHER SR:Let me tell you something, I don’t care who you are, you are going to lose something, as you get older you are going to lose something. He’s not 26, he’s 36. The whole thing is he still has that natural ability to strike when he needs to strike, the same thing his daddy has.

JENNA:People have said Floyd’s footwork has slowed down in recent years, is there anything you can do about that at this point?

I don’t really need his footwork because Guerrero is a fighter that comes to you anyway. Floyd’s hands are fast then Guerrero and he will be able to get off before Guerrero even thinks of getting off. I don’t think Guerrero have the mind set to handle Floyd, I don’t think he’s got the speed. I’m just telling you the do’s and don’t and I’m telling you what I don’t think he can do. Even at Floyd’s age, he can’t outbox Floyd he can’t out smart Floyd, his punches are not quick enough. Come May 4th you will see exactly what I’m talking about.

JENNA:Floyd do you think your sons inactivity could hurt him at all? He has been fighting mostly once a year every year, do you think that would effect him?

MAYWEATHER SR:First of all, it hurts anyone in the game, if you are not active, it will cost you. I did not really see the Cotto fight, I have seen just a little bit of it, I saw him getting hit by Cotto, and that’s not his fight. I’m going to show you he won’t be fighting like that May 4th, you will not see that Floyd come May 4th, the one that was taking punches from Cotto. We are going to be doing a whole bunch of things different, things that man should not be doing at this age, he will be doing. I’m am back, trust me.

JENNA:If your son wins the fight this weekend, fans will start to talk about a potential fight between Floyd and Canelo. What would you think of that fight?

MAYWEATHER SR:What I see, and these are my opinions, I don’t think Alvarez could whoop Floyd even today. I don’t believe it. The way he fought against that dude named Trout, you got to come with more then that. The way he throws his punches and the wide punches like he threw against Trout, that is cause for a beat down. I’m not trying to promote a fight or anything like that. I’m just telling you what I see from boxing today, and the boxers today not being as good as they were yesterday, and that’s why Floyd is from the old school and that’s why he fights like he fights and do what he do. Floyd is still the best fighter today among young and old, can’t nobody deny it.

JENNA:Floyd in the aftermath of Pacquiao getting knocked out, a lot of people called for him to retire, if something like that happened to Floyd would you expect people to say the same thing to him?

MAYWEATHER SR:I’m pretty sure they will. But Pacquiao don’t have not defense, Pacquiao don’t know boxing like little Floyd know boxing. Don’t get me wrong, anything can happen. Anybody can slip, your eyes can’t see everything. You can be good when your younger, you’re more mobile you’re more sharper, you’re more slicker, you can do a lot more things when you’re younger. When you’re older, you slow down, your eyes are not as aware and you are not as quick as you normally would be, but it’s part of life. Even if Floyd got knocked out he would not have to be ashamed of nothing. About the Pacquiao, he ain’t knowing to talk about because everyone knows what time of day it is with him and what’s going on with him and what he’s been doing. We don’t do things that way.

JENNA:Are you disappointed that fight did not happen between your son and Pacquiao now that you are training Floyd again?

MAYWEATHER SR:Well I really did not want to see it, I just wanted to shut some people up. We would of shut people up, but the whole thing is about the test, and he did not want to do that so it is what it is. He could not whoop Floyd anyways, I’m just telling you the truth.

JENNA:What is your prediction for the fight between your son and Robert Guerrero?

MAYWEATHER SR:I think it could be a knockout. Guerrero is too worried about Floyd having the big mansion, while he just have the little blue house. He’s got things mixed up and he’s thinking about the wrong things. You know what I mean?

JENNA:Well people can say that Guerrero is hungry because he does not have the things that Floyd has in life, that he could be one of the hungriest fighters to face Floyd.

MAYWEATHER SR:If Robert Guerrero is so hungry, he needs to go out to dinner and find something to eat, cause little Floyd is the wrong kind of meal. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the wrong meal.

JENNA:Final question Floyd. What can fans expect from your return to training in the spotlight again?

MAYWEATHER SR:As far as me and my training, first of all I’m the best that has ever done this game right here and after me there will be no more.





Where does Floyd Mayweather Jr. go next?

Did he show that he is still at his best at 36 years of age?

Is there anyone in boxing that can defeat Mayweather?

What’s next for Robert Guerrero?

How long can Mayweather fight this well?

All-time standing of Mayweather Jr?

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao?

And much much more.




In this exclusive interview with Marvin Hagler we focus on some of his biggest and most talked about fights. Marvin discusses his bout with Sugar Ray Leonard, the choices he made in the fight and why he believes there was never a rematch. Hagler also talks about some of his toughest fights, giving his thoughts on his ring wars with John Mugabi and Thomas ‘The Hitman’ Hearns. Additionally Marvin discussed the adversity he faced after his bout with Alan Minter, his thoughts on all the great fighters he faced, and much more. Here is what ‘Marvelous’ Marvin Hagler had to say

JENNA: Marvin, it’s great having you back “On The Ropes”. Today is actually a little bit of an anniversary of sorts for you. It’s actually 33 years to the day that you got your rubber match win against Willie Monroe. It’s been a bit of a long time, what do you remember of that trilogy?

HAGLER: Don’t make me feel old. (laughs) 33, I’m only 29. No, no, but the Willie Monroe fight, I think that was a big stepping stone for me. At the time fighting those Philadelphia fighters, they were all tough contenders so I had the opportunity of fighting them and just moved on from there. They taught me a lot and I believe that either one of those guys in Philly could have been champion of the world if I didn’t destroy them.

JENNA: Yeah, you certainly did well and that’s something you’ve been known for in your career is doing great in rematches. If you look at some of your losses, you lost to Bobby Watts. When you took him on again you took him out in two rounds. You had a draw with a guy by the name of Sugar Ray Seales, then you took him out in one round, and of course Willie Monroe in the final fight you took him out in two. Why do you think you were so impressive in those rematches?

HAGLER: Well I believe that I probably got madder and things happened in between the ropes there which I didn’t like, because there was a draw and whatever and I think we should do it again. That I think is the mark of a great champion, when either way, you give the guy another opportunity at you. So my thing was that if you didn’t believe that I beat you the first time, then we’ll do it again.

JENNA: Well that’s certainly a great sentiment to have. You’ve had a bunch of rematches and trilogies in your career and something that you’ve been known for is your character in the boxing ring and I wanted to talk a little about your career and character. It took you six and a half years to get a title shot. What was it like to have to go through that long wait being denied that shot and then to finally get it?

HAGLER: Well it was a sweet thing in a sense, because it showed that all of my hard work and everything really paid off. I believe what you’re talking about was the Antuofermo fight back in ’79 which I felt as though I won. That was a draw. I understood now that you can’t leave a champion standing. You got to beat him decisively or knock him out in order to take the title away from him. At least that’s the way it was back then in those days. Other than that, my other highlights I would have to say would be when I won the title from Alan Minter, and then I would have to say that the biggest highlight of my career would have to be Thomas Hearns.

JENNA: That certainly would be, but let’s go back to that fight with Vito Antuofermo. I mean you wanted that title shot, you pined for it, you finally got it, and in that fight you won the first ten rounds pretty dominantly. You were very dominant, and it seemed a little bit later in the fight that you stepped off the gas, you backed off, and you allowed him to get some rounds. Do you at all regret what you did in that match there and what was the reason that you took your foot off the gas?

HAGLER: No, I don’t believe so. I think when a guy’s fighting Antuofermo, he was a bull in a sense. Not to say that he was a dirty fighter, but he used his head a lot and you really had to be cautious about his head. In that fight, like I said, I felt as though that I won that fight and they denied me of that so I went on a rampage. I was mad and anybody that stood in my way, now that I learned that part of the boxing game, is that you can’t leave them standing and that’s what I was intending on doing—not let another one stand in front of me again. So I would say the second fight with Antuofermo, when I gave him the opportunity now that I was champion, and to say to Antuofermo, ‘Okay’. I just remember me jumping up in the air with my legs and my arms because I was so glad when this guy couldn’t continue the second time and he returned my belts to me. So that was a great feeling.

JENNA: Yeah, you literally did go on a rampage there. In your next sixteen fights you won fourteen by KO. I think people learned not to job Marvelous Marvin Hagler on the cards. It certainly upsets him.

HAGLER: (laughs) You don’t want to get me upset.

JENNA:  Anyways Marvin, we’re also joined by my partner Ruben Martinez

HAGLER: Hi Ruben.

RUBEN MARTINEZ: Hey Marvin. I’m happy you could join us once more.

HAGLER: Yeah, it’s great to be back on the show again.

RUBEN: It’s a pleasure having you on the show. Now Marvin, it is often debated by fans who the best middleweight of all time is, many argue that it’s you and others make the case for men like Carlos Monzon and Harry Greb. On top of that you are also responsible for popularizing he middleweight division. What does it mean to you to be ranked amongst the elite of that weight class as well as having a hand in the development of that division?

HAGLER: Well you know those are great champions and because I think I was a throwback from the old days, like a Sugar Ray Robinson and Gene Fullmer and guys I would say like Jake Lamotta, it was something that I had to do to bring back the respect to the middleweight division. At the time coming up, when the heavyweight division was really notable by Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier and all these tough guys in the light heavyweight division, you had Bob Foster. In the middleweights we were lacking something, so I was very honored in the sense that I finally started gaining my recognition as one of the top middleweights in the world. But for me still, I feel as though Carlos Monzon was a great champion. It took ten years and we would have loved to have fought him if we had the opportunity, but unfortunately that never happened. So just continuing and looking at guys like Emile Griffith and all these great middleweights. It’s always been the toughest division out there in the world of boxing I feel.

RUBEN: You mentioned you had interest in fighting Carlos Monzon. That’s one of those fights that many people to this day talk about and wonder how it would have played out. Personally how do you picture that fight going if you two were matched up in the prime of your careers? And what approach do you think you would take?

HAGLER: Well I believe behind my orthodox style I’d probably be fighting him on the inside to get inside his long reach. Just knowing that this guy had a powerful right hand, I mean Monzon had one of the best right hands in the business also besides Tommy Hearns. So I kind of learned a lot and I think I would have given him a lot of fits.

RUBEN: Marvin, I wanted to get your views on a fighter who has been a stand out in the middleweight division since your retirement, that is Bernard Hopkins. What did you think of Bernard and his run in the middleweight division that included a record twenty title defenses?

HAGLER: Well I give a lot of respect with Bernard because I met him one day. I believe that he’s going to be a future Hall of Famer. I like the fact that he’s another one like myself that tried to keep the middleweight division alive, which he did. As far as the twenty defenses, I was glad in a sense that I retired, because I probably would have continued on fighting again. So I think that was the best thing that happened for me.

RUBEN: You said you are glad you retired when you did, which was fairly young at 33 years of age. What do you think of fighters such as Bernard Hopkins who fight on well into their 40’s?

HAGLER: My opinion is the best thing is to get out of the game while you’re young so that you could basically have another life. Boxing was very good for me, but then knowing that after I got out of boxing it was the best move that I made. No fighter wants to really be where can’t speak and think positively. I feel very fortunate. My thinking is great, my speech pattern is okay, and I’m able to move on. So I believe that watching guys like Muhammad Ali and all these older fighters that were able to stay inside the ring so long, the physical aspect is deteriorating in time. Even I believe a guy like George Foreman at 42 years old I think that he won the title. I mean this inspires these young fighters to continue saying, ‘Well if George did it, I can do it too’ but I think that is a bad move for fighters because even though you think about it, the shot is not there. It’s only there in your mind. Then if your legs go, what do you got? The best way is to leave the game with respect and without making yourself look bad or regretting anything that you have done.

RUBEN: You left boxing while you were still near the top of your game. I know you said you’re happy with your decision to retire when you did, but did it ever cross your mind after retiring to maybe make a comeback and seeing if you could pull off another run?

HAGLER: Well you know, in my opinion, when I started watching these younger fighters in my division coming up and then you start thinking I can take that guy and whatever like that. You got to smack yourself in the head, ‘Hello Marvin! You’re retired! Let them guys do their own thing’ and it’s great entertainment for you. But hopefully there’s somebody who will try to do the same thing I did and bring the dignity into my middleweight division. So that’s basically what I was looking at, but again, I’m glad that I’m out of there. I’m tied up in chains. No more ice. I think ice was my best friends. I’d sleep with it every night.

JENNA: Now Marvin, you fought some of the best fighters out there from any era. You fought Roberto Duran, you fought Thomas Hearns, you fought Sugar Ray Leonard. What was it like to fight all these great names and how do you think they would do in today’s division?

HAGLER: Well you know, that was a tough time in a great era in a sense because I believe that all these guys could fight. You weren’t going to have a field day like with what they’re doing today. I mean all these guys had like over forty fights or whatever, where these guys now today have only like twenty fights and they’re world champions? I mean, come on! It took me fifty fights to get a shot at the title, which was probably the best thing so I was able to hold onto it a lot longer. Most of the fighters today, I think they hold the title from about six months to one year and then all of a sudden they lost it. So I still feel as though for the throwbacks in the old days that that was the best lesson for me, to go through the hard way, which I did, and then when you retire it’s knowing that you have fought the best in the world. You got nothing else to prove.

JENNA: Marvin you mentioned how long you held on to the title. You were champion for over 7 years by the time you faced Sugar Ray Leonard in the ring. To make that fight, you made certain concessions. You allowed the fight to be only 12 rounds, instead of the usual 15. How much do you think this played a factor in terms of the result?

HAGLER: Well, first of all I think that I gave him everything only just to get this guy inside the ring. As a matter of fact I told him that I’d even fight him in his living room because he wanted everything—he wanted the bigger ring, he wanted bigger gloves, I mean, come on! Do you want to fight, yes or no? I had been waiting like four years for this guy. I don’t talk behind anybody’s back, but I feel as though I won the fight and I feel as though that I don’t think there’s any way in the world that you can beat the champion on a close fight decision. I believe that it should go to the champion, which they did to me years ago when I fought Vito Antuofermo, as you know. So they taught me that you cannot leave the man standing, and I’ll tell you something—I came out of that ring with not a scratch on me for the first time out of any of the tough guys that I fought, and I felt that anyone of those guys that fought me, they had the ability and the opportunity to become champion of the world. I’m very satisfied, I’m very happy, and I’m pleased with my accomplishments, because with the Leonard fight, it just showed me that he wasn’t really a champion because a real champion would have gave me a rematch just to show the public that it wasn’t right. If it was me, and the shoe was on the other foot, I automatically felt as though that if you felt as though you got a raw deal, “Okay, let’s do it again!” That’s the way that a real champion is about. Today, you don’t got these real champions.

JENNA: When people look at the Leonard fight today, everyone scores it differently. You yourself, the last time we had you on you said you broke all of your TVs when you watched it. Looking back at the fight now, is there anything you wish you did differently? The first few rounds you actually fought orthodox. Do you have any regrets about the way you chose to fight Leonard?

HAGLER: No. If I look at it again, I’ll probably break another television. But anyway, I feel as though I did the best that I could do, whether I was fighting orthodox or whatever like that. The main thing is not trying to go out there and try to knock the guy out. The main thing is just to win that fight and that’s what I felt as though I did, and still do inside my heart, I don’t feel any differently. I still feel like a champion like I told you before and nothing has changed.

JENNA: Do you have any regrets at all about choosing to retire when Leonard’s future was unclear after the fight?

HAGLER: No, I believe I hung around for another year hoping Leonard would give me a rematch—which he didn’t—and I felt as though I realized that your life must go on, I’m still young. I believed if I got involved in acting it would take me at least five years to mature in a different field—which I did. As a matter of fact, I have four films that are behind me and I’m looking for another one right now, too. This is great. At least one thing, by making films, you know that it’s not real so it doesn’t hurt as much as getting punched. (laughs)

JENNA: Marvin, I have actually had a chance to speak with Ray Leonard, and I asked him why a rematch did not happen and if he really did not want to fight you again. Here is what he said…..

SUGAR RAY LEONARD: Why wouldn’t I have given him a rematch? I mean that would have been a perfect fight again. That first fight was relatively close, but that would have generated so much interest for a second fight. I mean I would have done that in a heartbeat. Hagler, I think he forgets that he went away. He moved away to Milan, Italy. So he was the one who threw his hands up and said no more. I’m not going to do this any longer and he retired. So you need to call Hagler back.

JENNA:  What do you think about Ray’s comments?

HAGLER: Well you know, that is Leonard. Everybody knows Leonard and they can imagine what he was going to say, but that was not true. I was still here in America. If the fight was to happen, I would have took that fight right away because I hung around the game for one year until I realized one thing. This guy is waiting for you to get old. He’s waiting for me to maybe come back and fight somebody else and then they beat you. He had all kinds of excuses. There’s no way. He was also afraid probably that you see every time I fought a person the second time what I did to them. He was nervous and I know. He didn’t want to fight. So I realized that, so you know what I had to do. I had to start putting my head together and started putting my life together and started thinking about my future and it was time for me to move on, not sit here and wait for this guy to dictate to me again if he’s going to do it or not. Hello! If you wanted to fight, that’s all you had to say right then. Just give me the rematch just like any other champion would have done.

RUBEN: Marvin, I want to touch on a situation you had to deal with earlier in your career. The bout you had with Alan Minter in London, England, where many British fans were angry and began throwing bottles and other things into the ring. Looking back at that now, what are your thoughts on British fans? Do you still feel upset by the things that transpired that night?

HAGLER: Well I think that what they did was, they kind of banned boxing after when they had seen what happened to me on television. They were kind of leery and scared a little bit about having the fighters go over to that country, but the English people have been so apologetic to me. It only takes a handful of people to make the whole country look bad, and I forgive them for that now. What is it, 1980 when I won the title? So here we go talking about my age again. (laughs) I told them that I would never go back to that country and I lied, because I realized that it was only a handful of people that did that. I got what I wanted. I went after the title. I took the title without any question. I stopped him in the three rounds and it was just a terrible way that I couldn’t enjoy it. I believe that I’m the only champion in the world that never received the belt inside the ring. I still get a little jealous about that sometimes when I see other champions holding up their belt after their match. But for my protection and everything, the bodyguards did a real good job on getting me out of there. I was just on my knees and just thanking God for really just giving me my gift that I wanted all my life. So I was happy about that.

RUBEN: Marvin, we have had a fighter on the show that you are familiar with, Sugar Ray Phillips, a man you defeated in 1977. He gave us his thoughts on having faced you in the ring and I wonder if you could give us your perspective of that match and whether there was anything that surprised you about him.

HAGLER: Well I think there was another fighter I was supposed to fight. I think his name was Vinnie Curto, and he had pulled out of the fight. So then they put in this guy called Sugar Ray Phillips and I remember this guy ran even faster than Leonard. I mean he was quick. Then I finally got upset with him and I stopped him. But this guy was another runner. You know what I’m trying to say. So those type of things, you have to get a guy out of there kind of quick so that they really don’t embarrass you, you know what I mean? But he was a pretty good fighter. I think I broke his jaw, didn’t I? Did he mention that?

RUBEN: He did not mention that, I don’t believe

JENNA: No, I don’t think he mentioned that. He mentioned that you kept hitting him with your head. He said you kept using your bald head to head butt him.

HAGLER: It’s so funny, because that fight in the sense like in the years, you think about Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton where Ken Norton broke Muhammad Ali’s jaw. Then I remember my manager and trainer telling me, ‘You know Marvin, you broke the guy’s jaw. The guy is in the hospital and you got to go see if he’s okay’. I said, ‘For what? This guy is trying to kill me and you want me to go to the hospital and see this guy? No way! Hell no! Forget him!’ (laughs) It’s a dirty business. There’s no friends in that ring.

RUBEN: Well that fight with Sugar Ray Phillips was certainly not your last rough fight. Later on in your career you met a young and hungry fighter by the name of John ‘The Beast’ Mugabi. He was 26-0 with 26 knockouts. I want to get your views on that grueling back and forth fight you had.


HAGLER: I give John ‘The Beast’ Mugabi a lot of credit, I give Roberto Duran a lot of credit, and I give Thomas Hearns a lot of credit because these guys came out there and tried to take my title. Mugabi tried to knock my head off. I mean this guy here was kind of awkward. I mean he was a big puncher, 20 fights, 20 knockouts, but I said, ‘You know what? You’ve never been in the ring with the Marvelous One, and I’ll tell you what. I will feast on ‘The Beast’.’

RUBEN: Marvin, one interesting note on your career were rumors of a potential fight between you and Light Heavyweight champion Michael Spinks. I’m wondering, how close was that fight to being made? And if that fight would have happened how do you think you would have handled moving up in weight to face Spinks?

HAGLER: Well basically there was nothing in the light heavyweights, anyway, at that time. Now the light heavyweight division looks a lot better than it did in many years since you had guys like Roy Jones who kind of controlled that light heavyweight division, because really, it was always a weak division. My division in the middleweight division was a very tough division when you talk about the guys that we’re talking about right now. The light heavyweights, there wasn’t much. As far as Michael Spinks was concerned, we should have fought him in the amateurs back in the AAU years ago. So I don’t feel as though that at that time, that I was putting on fifteen pounds like these guys are doing today. If it was anything that was going to happen, I would have had him come down to my weight which would be 160. So that’s what happened in that area.

RUBEN: Alright Marvin, one thing I like to ask fighters is what they would do if they hadn’t taken up boxing. For you, what do you think you would have done if you had to choose a different path in life?

HAGLER: Oh, it’s like mostly everybody else. You’re either going to be in crime or you’re going to be in jail somewhere doing something negative and nothing positive, you know what I mean. I think boxing was the best thing that ever happened to me to give me an outlook on life and also it was my best teacher. I mean it educated me in so many ways in being able to help other people in the world today by my name and what I’ve done. Like my website, I got my website going where I’m talking with a lot of people over the air. I’m doing a lot of charity work which is for my Marvelous Marvin Hagler Scholarship Fund in Brockton. I’m helping those kids, about 2,000 kids that we’re able to send to school to college. This is something that I’m able to do which is great. I’m working another charity thing which is the Laureus Sport for Good Foundation with other athletes all around the world. I mean Boris Becker, Edward Moses, Martina Navratilova and all these people. I’m like the 43rd member of that group and we help all these people from the foreign countries and everything. It’s really surprising and I’m enjoying what I’m doing this way

RUBEN: When you looked back at your career, and the people you have fought, which fighters do you respect the most

HAGLER: Well, basically, I will tell you this: I will give Duran, I will give Tommy Hearns, and I will give Mugabi more respect because these guys came to take away my title. Not like Leonard who ran like a little girl—excuse my language, I’m sorry. They didn’t just try to survive and not to win the fight, I really couldn’t see that. But Roberto Duran, I enjoyed fighting him, because of the fact here’s a three time world champion who had a lot of skills, and for me to take away all of his adversaries in a sense, and to be able to come back with something of myself and to show him—that’s why I am here, because I am the middleweight champion of the world, and there’s no way that you’re going to take my title. Not unless you hit me with that ring post, because that’s the only way I’m going out.

JENNA: I just have a few more questions for you Marvin. When boxing fans look back at your career, there is one fight they always seem to talk about the most, that being your all out war with Tommy “The Hitman” Hearns. It has been named one of the 30 greatest fights ever. Going into that fight, were you prepared to be put through that kind of a ring war?

HAGLER: Well, I think in training camp and everything like that, I think you have to be prepared for anything that Tommy’s got to do, so I can do it better. So I believe that with the excitement that was going on, naturally just your ability which we trained for and knowing which way you have to go to your offense and which way you have to go to your defense. I mean, it was a war. He wanted it, and I wanted it more, because I wanted to prove to the world—and I never said that I was the greatest, I said I was the best middleweight champion of all time. And then after the fight, I remember talking with the announcer there, who said to me, “Well Marvin, you really haven’t proved yourself ever as a great fighter.” So I remember after the fight, I said to him, “Well? Now? Am I great now?” He says, “Well Mr. Hagler-Marvelous—I would have to say, you are the greatest.” Ohhhh! I waited for you to say that. (laughs)

JENNA: How do you feel about the way this fight has stuck in the mind of boxing fans through the years?

HAGLER: Well you know it surprises me, because if I go to the shopping store or whatever when I’m walking around or whatever, everybody is looking at me and everybody is talking to me about that fight just like it happened yesterday. I can’t get away from it myself. I mean the people are saying, ‘Oh! That right hand shot!’ and people bring me back into that fight again. I thought it was a great fight. I’m glad with the outcome because I finally gained the recognition that I won it. Like I said, it was the highlight of my career but it’s not only those fights. I mean a lot of people walk around talking about the Leonard fight and whatever. I mean how long, 22 years or whatever I’ve been outside the ring and people bring you back just like it was yesterday. It’s a funny thing.

JENNA: Yeah it certainly is, but you know that’s the impact you’ve had on boxing. You gave boxing fans many great fights.

HAGLER: Well it’s great to talk with the people about the boxing. It’s not like some people you want to shut yourself off or whatever. No. I enjoy that the people who really know anything about boxing, they catch my ear. Some people talk a bunch of junk sometimes, too, who don’t know anything about boxing. They just have seen it. A fortunate thing that happens to me right now is when I got young kids who come up to me and say, ‘Me and my father, my father sat me down to watch your fights and I think you’re one of the greatest’. Then when I’m doing all this fan mail, which I have to do tonight, too, to autograph all these things and whatever and send them out to all these people. They all speak very respectfully so that’s why I don’t mind. Some of these things bring you back, too. So I enjoy it. Again it gives me an opportunity to stay in touch with my fans.

JENNA: Great, well my final question does involve the fans. Is there anything you want to say to all the boxing fans out there, your fans, and the listeners of On the Ropes Boxing Radio?

HAGLER: (laughs) I don’t know. Listen, just stay with The Marvelous One inside and outside the ring. I love you all and thank you very much for staying in there with me. It was a tough road but we made it to the top and we want to stay that way, not just inside the ring but outside the ring as well.

JENNA: Well it’s been an absolute pleasure having you on the show, Marvin. You’re entertaining as always.

HAGLER: It’s great to be back.

JENNA: Thank you. Thank you. It was great having you on.

HAGLER: Thank you very much, too



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